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brit hume fox news senior political analyst. jeff zeleny of the new york times. kimberly strassel from the "wall street journal" and fox news political analyst juan william. before we get to the inaugural and the president's agenda for the second term i want to discuss the very important ruling by the circuit court of appeals here in washington, d.c. on friday that the president violated the constitution when made three invalid their words appointments to the nlrb. brit, how big a deal? >> i think it is a very big deal and i think that it going to be a little hard to overcome if the administration decides to appeal it. two reasons. one is the court basically threw out the appointments to the nlrb on two grounds principally. one was and this was a ground breaking ruling that only between sessions of congress when congress isn't in session at all. when one ended and awaiting the start of another one could a recess appointment be made. that is counter to practice that has been going on for a very long time and that ground may not be upheld on appeal. the other groun
brit hume fox news senior political analyst. jeff zeleny of the new york times. kimberly strassel from the "wall street journal" and fox news political analyst juan william. before we get to the inaugural and the president's agenda for the second term i want to discuss the very important ruling by the circuit court of appeals here in washington, d.c. on friday that the president violated the constitution when made three invalid their words appointments to the nlrb. brit, how big a...
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hay out of an issue. >> obama is seeking political victory. obama doesn't care about enforcing existing law. so people say why will he enforce anything that is new. >> once again, limbaugh is clearly delusional. one of the reasons we need immigration reform is because there were a record number of deportations last year. president obama has presided over 1.5 million deportations in four years. it took w. eight years to deport 2 million people. but marco rubio still went on air with the peddler of lies to kick obama on immigration. >> obama is not going to be president forever. as long as the next four years may seem, he won't be president forever. we have to write laws with that in mind as well. >> president obama agrees with marco rubio and other senators on almost every aspect of immigration reform. but republicans are not doing this because they are interested in real reform. john mccain actually told us the truth. they are doing it so they can win elections. meanwhile, our current immigration fiasco takes a tremendous toll. now, listen to
hay out of an issue. >> obama is seeking political victory. obama doesn't care about enforcing existing law. so people say why will he enforce anything that is new. >> once again, limbaugh is clearly delusional. one of the reasons we need immigration reform is because there were a record number of deportations last year. president obama has presided over 1.5 million deportations in four years. it took w. eight years to deport 2 million people. but marco rubio still went on air with...
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. >> the political argument that is looking at marco rubio. we know it's the number you see on the screen. obama over romney over latino voters. you have the growing latino areas. i wonder if there is a second argument that republicans are considering or ought to consider. that is how they are toned on this and defined the rhetoric and affects non-latino voters. how much do you think this hurt the republican party's brain that it took this long to get to this point on this issue? >> well, the argument is also that when you want compassionate conservatism, it's not just the target group, but also for john latinos. the fiscal conservative who is may not love or hate latinos, but they cringe at the rhetoric. i agree that this is not just an issue about latinos, but softening the general image of the republican party. it's gone so far to the right with the peak of the 2010 tea party movement, that they try to buff the edges out. >> the first thing is border security. with enforcement promises never materialized, that is untrue. the 2007 bill asked
. >> the political argument that is looking at marco rubio. we know it's the number you see on the screen. obama over romney over latino voters. you have the growing latino areas. i wonder if there is a second argument that republicans are considering or ought to consider. that is how they are toned on this and defined the rhetoric and affects non-latino voters. how much do you think this hurt the republican party's brain that it took this long to get to this point on this issue? >>...
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as far as obama wanting to pass it i'm curious bit. for four years he didn't raise a finger on this and in 2007 he help that had fragile bill at the time. >> bill: right. >> the preacher of the polls he didn't have to run again. fox news poll, 66% of americans, two-thirds support a pathway to citizenship. 66%. 17% say send illegals back home. 13% want to guest worker program for them. any president, sitting president, particularly a liberal guy is going to say i'm going to drive the train. >> all right. >> here is what -- . >> there is no john mccain is no liberal. >> wait a minute. wait a minute. stop this train. don't forget this was blocked under president bush, a republican this is blocked by a vote, by the far right. >> and far left. >> demonize every immigrant as some kind of threat to america. >> attacks came from both lines and will come from both again. >> bill: let me the source of light herein stead of heat for once. we had very big border security problems now, border security better so the debate in the story can progress.
as far as obama wanting to pass it i'm curious bit. for four years he didn't raise a finger on this and in 2007 he help that had fragile bill at the time. >> bill: right. >> the preacher of the polls he didn't have to run again. fox news poll, 66% of americans, two-thirds support a pathway to citizenship. 66%. 17% say send illegals back home. 13% want to guest worker program for them. any president, sitting president, particularly a liberal guy is going to say i'm going to drive the...
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. >> president barack obama: we must act. we must act, knowing that our work will be imperfect. >> chris: president obama in his inaugural address, dismissing the opposition to him, here in washington and it is time now for our sunday group: brit hume, fox news senior political analyst, jeff zeleny of "the new york times," kimberley strassel of the "wall street journal" and, fox news political analyst juan williams, and before we get to the president's inaugural for the second term i want to discuss the very important ruling by the circuit court of appeals here in washington, d.c. on friday. the president violated the constitution when he made three invalid, their words, appointments. to the nlrb, how big a deal? >> i think it is a very big deal and i think it will be hard to overcome, if the administration decides to appeal it and i say that for two reasons, one, the court basically threw out these nominations, appointments to the nlrb on two grounds, principally, one was that -- and this was a ground breaking ruling, that o
. >> president barack obama: we must act. we must act, knowing that our work will be imperfect. >> chris: president obama in his inaugural address, dismissing the opposition to him, here in washington and it is time now for our sunday group: brit hume, fox news senior political analyst, jeff zeleny of "the new york times," kimberley strassel of the "wall street journal" and, fox news political analyst juan williams, and before we get to the president's inaugural...
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president obama wants gunun safety legislation. house republicans don't like president obama, but house republicans do like police officers. so with that in mind today, president obama invited 13 police chiefs and sheriffs to the white house to discuss gun violence. >> if law enforcement officials who are dealing with this stuff every single day can come to some basic consensus, congress will be paying at attention to them and we'll be able to make progress. >> jennifer: progress that will be novel, but if the senate can move ahead with immigration reform, i say anything is possible. joining me now is democratic strategist donnie fowler. welcome back. >> good to be here. >> jennifer: good policy to have the chiefs and sheriffs come and make the pitch on gun safety. >> there is no more credibility. >> jennifer: i totally agree. >> they are certainly the ones that the american people want to hear from. >> jennifer: the congress can't seem to meet a deadline on fiscal stuff. they have this immigration thing that is teed up. do you thi
president obama wants gunun safety legislation. house republicans don't like president obama, but house republicans do like police officers. so with that in mind today, president obama invited 13 police chiefs and sheriffs to the white house to discuss gun violence. >> if law enforcement officials who are dealing with this stuff every single day can come to some basic consensus, congress will be paying at attention to them and we'll be able to make progress. >> jennifer: progress...
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and then on the political front, president obama's recess appointment to the nlrb declared unconstitutional. and louisiana governor bobby jindal calls republicans the stupid party. how about that? and then there is an unconfirmed scandal. i say unconfirmed. did senator bob menendez sleep with underaged dominican prostitutes? this is "the kudlow report" and we begin right now. >> all right. first up, our most optimistic story tonight, stock continue their bull run, the s&p 500 and dow closing in on their all-time highs from october 2007. brian shactman joins us now with all the details. good evening, brian and good work today. >> you touched on the s&p details having its best streak in terms of winning streaks days in a row in eight years but how about the dow. we're now 105 points shy of 14,000. eight components hit new highs today. beyond the five on your screen, utx, pfizer and p & g also doing it. now, speaking of history, historically life is good, larry, as you well know when the dow transports show leadership, up another 3% for the week. apple used to be leadership but not right now.
and then on the political front, president obama's recess appointment to the nlrb declared unconstitutional. and louisiana governor bobby jindal calls republicans the stupid party. how about that? and then there is an unconfirmed scandal. i say unconfirmed. did senator bob menendez sleep with underaged dominican prostitutes? this is "the kudlow report" and we begin right now. >> all right. first up, our most optimistic story tonight, stock continue their bull run, the s&p...
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but, we don't agree on a lot of politics. >> all right. so, you guys are, when you talk, man-to-man, you don't have a big fischer. but i'm sure he voted for barack obama. you are not going to vote for barack obama. now, the global warming is his big deal, the environmental stuff. dodo you believe in global warming? do you think it's been caused by carbons and we are the responsibility for this? >> well, when he drives the prius to the challenger, you know, you have got to question a little bit. but, you know, what i believe in is air and clean water and a future for our kids. i don't believe that my ford f-250 is causing global warming. i might get a lot of flack for that but, you know, we can't tax ourselves by going in with things like the deoat that protocol and that kind of stuff. so no, i'm not a believer but i want to make sure that we're still doing the right thing going forward. i just don't like scaring kids and telling them we are cook pg ourself. >> you want clean water and clean air but you are not buying into the fact that the
but, we don't agree on a lot of politics. >> all right. so, you guys are, when you talk, man-to-man, you don't have a big fischer. but i'm sure he voted for barack obama. you are not going to vote for barack obama. now, the global warming is his big deal, the environmental stuff. dodo you believe in global warming? do you think it's been caused by carbons and we are the responsibility for this? >> well, when he drives the prius to the challenger, you know, you have got to question a...
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. >> in many ways this was obama pulling frankly a bill clinton, a politically shrewd move, all about the clintons and hillary ace political future. the joke is whether vice president joe biden has been peeled off the ceiling yet but on what may have been the more interesting obama interview published this weekend, the president talked gun control, the future of both parties and football with the "new republic" as they tried to relaunch. the president acknowledged getting gun control through congress will be tough and said "if you group up and your dad gave you a hunting rifle when you were 10 and you spent the day whim and your uncle and that became part of i don't are family traditions, you can see why you would be protective of that." ask if he ever fired a gun, the president went as far to say up at camp david we do skeet shooting all the time. the president will meet with law enforcement officials across america. it's looking more and more like by the way, that a background check bill is the vehicle that is most likely to get through the senate. on friday oklahoma republican sena
. >> in many ways this was obama pulling frankly a bill clinton, a politically shrewd move, all about the clintons and hillary ace political future. the joke is whether vice president joe biden has been peeled off the ceiling yet but on what may have been the more interesting obama interview published this weekend, the president talked gun control, the future of both parties and football with the "new republic" as they tried to relaunch. the president acknowledged getting gun...
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. >> you didn't hear it on 60 minutes but president obama like many a president before him is unhappy with the press. in a separate weekend interview with the liberal political journal the new republic he grumbled about fox news and rush limbaugh. nothing unexpected there. he explained reporters generally in an effort to be impartial treat democrats and republicans as equivalent. they fail to note that one side is trying to do what is right and we haven't seen that kind of attitude on the other side. never mind of course the president at that moment was being interviewed by one of his campaign donors and supporters who is the owner of the new republic. never mind that he basically whistled up 60 minutes on short notice to sit down with him and his secretary of state for an interview could have been described as just how great is the relationship is between you two? i must have missed a friendly interview 60 minutes did with president bush or secretary of state colin powell or condoleezza rice. you say mr. bush would never have offered one. it is true if he did he would have not gotten
. >> you didn't hear it on 60 minutes but president obama like many a president before him is unhappy with the press. in a separate weekend interview with the liberal political journal the new republic he grumbled about fox news and rush limbaugh. nothing unexpected there. he explained reporters generally in an effort to be impartial treat democrats and republicans as equivalent. they fail to note that one side is trying to do what is right and we haven't seen that kind of attitude on the...
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president obama promised he would do this in his first year. he did not. the worry is we go at this again and it doesn't work. the president gets all the political points. the republicans get all the political blame. a political victory but not a strategic victory for the country. we need to make this a national purpose of policy and not an exercise in politics. i hope we'll keep our eye on that. that is going to be the big challenge. host: we have an idea from jbc. al in rhode island, hi, al. caller: good morning. thank you for c-span. the american people want immigration but they want legal immigration. we do not one no favoritism for anybody. you talk about language. the chinese came here. it is not right. this president is so far off the ball. we will bring 11 million more people into this country when we don't put those people to work first? i did not think that is right. we have other problems that are more important. we're flooding this country with unskilled workers. guest: the only reason on skilled workers come to this country is because there is
president obama promised he would do this in his first year. he did not. the worry is we go at this again and it doesn't work. the president gets all the political points. the republicans get all the political blame. a political victory but not a strategic victory for the country. we need to make this a national purpose of policy and not an exercise in politics. i hope we'll keep our eye on that. that is going to be the big challenge. host: we have an idea from jbc. al in rhode island, hi, al....
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his wife did endorse obama in that campaign. politics are personal. jim, there's some concern by some that assuming that chuck hagel gets confirmed he will be a weaker secretary of defense within the cabinet, that policy will be run even more so out of the white house, out of the nsc because he has gone through this process, and doesn't have a strong political base himself within the administration. >> well, you know, that was the rap against william cohen. if you remember, a republican who served under the president -- democratic administration of president clinton. now, if people here in the building say, look, you know, chuck hagel would be fine for us, including military uniformed service members because they understand, as you just pointed out, that the white house is going to be pulling the strings, turning the screws no matter who is the secretary of defenses. republican or democrat. i do want to set the record straight a little bit on this debate over the surge. now, senator hagel in the confirmation hearing said that 1,200 americans were kill
his wife did endorse obama in that campaign. politics are personal. jim, there's some concern by some that assuming that chuck hagel gets confirmed he will be a weaker secretary of defense within the cabinet, that policy will be run even more so out of the white house, out of the nsc because he has gone through this process, and doesn't have a strong political base himself within the administration. >> well, you know, that was the rap against william cohen. if you remember, a republican...
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>> i think there's less focus on what the obama politics of the moment or his legacy. and it's beginning to creep, at least with some people, about what story they will be able to tell for the next election of what they did. they recognize that the president has had a lot of capital. he will use it. but for them, and it's not -- we talked about, they're split but there are some people saying thousand can we influence things? -- saying how can we influence things? chris: why don't they start passing bills in the house on background checks? >> more willingness to move forward on immigration than anything that hags the word gun in it. chris: thank you. when we come back, scoops and predictions right from t ♪ secondhand smoke affects everyone's health. it's not just irritating. it can cause heart disease and even death. speak up about secondhand smoke. your health and the health of your family depend on it. chris: welcome back. chuck todd, tell me something i don't know. >> sacks by chambliss retiring. -- saxby chambliss retiring. his best friend in the house, we see the
>> i think there's less focus on what the obama politics of the moment or his legacy. and it's beginning to creep, at least with some people, about what story they will be able to tell for the next election of what they did. they recognize that the president has had a lot of capital. he will use it. but for them, and it's not -- we talked about, they're split but there are some people saying thousand can we influence things? -- saying how can we influence things? chris: why don't they...
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i mean, she is her own political entity. this is a continuation of clintonism. >> i agree, i thought all the blind quotes sounded to me like joe biden people trying to sound like they could be anyone's people. i don't think if you're hillary clinton there is an issue about a private conversation. if you're hillary clinton and you want to go out there and do it, you will go out there, and crush who is in the primary, joe biden or cuomo, up need to. it seems much more of a joe biden-type argument, saying obviously we'll coordinate and work out. >> karen finney, joe biden is a great vice president, it is a job that is hard to be great at. he has found a way to be great at. is there any way he could be talked into it doing it for 16 years. >> the longest serving vice president in history. >> are you suggesting the joe biden-hillary clinton ticket? i had that thought today. he has actually made the role of vice president in the way i think she has re-made the role of secretary of state. i think the country would do well to have t
i mean, she is her own political entity. this is a continuation of clintonism. >> i agree, i thought all the blind quotes sounded to me like joe biden people trying to sound like they could be anyone's people. i don't think if you're hillary clinton there is an issue about a private conversation. if you're hillary clinton and you want to go out there and do it, you will go out there, and crush who is in the primary, joe biden or cuomo, up need to. it seems much more of a joe biden-type...
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and cbs political director john dickerson recall last week urging president obama to pulverize the republican party. up next, the department of homeland security looking to acquire thousands of the very same weapons the president is trying to take away from citizens. the "a-team" on double standards and more. the capital one cash rewards card gives you 1% cash back on all purchases, plus a 50% annual bonus. and everyone likes 50% more... [ midwestern/chicago accent ] cheddar! yeah! 50...
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>> i think there's less focus on what the obama politics of the moment or his legacy. and it's beginning to creep, at least with some people, about what story they will be able to tell for the next election of what they did. they recognize that the president has had a lot of capital. he will use it. but for them, and it's not -- we talked about, they're split but there are some people saying thousand can we influence things? -- saying how can we influence things? chris: why don't they start passing bills in the house on background checks? >> more willingness to move forward on immigration than anything that hags the word gun in it. chris: thank you. when we come back, scoops and predictions right from t ♪ using cloud computing and mobile technology, verizon innovators have developed a projective display for firefighters. allowing them to see through anything. because the world's biggest challenges deserve even bigger solutions. powerful answers. verizon. (woman) 3 days of walking to give a break cancer survivor a lifetime-- that's definitely a fair trade. it was such
>> i think there's less focus on what the obama politics of the moment or his legacy. and it's beginning to creep, at least with some people, about what story they will be able to tell for the next election of what they did. they recognize that the president has had a lot of capital. he will use it. but for them, and it's not -- we talked about, they're split but there are some people saying thousand can we influence things? -- saying how can we influence things? chris: why don't they...
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remember a few years ago president obama was boxed in by immigration. he had put the enforcement into effect, but he hadn't sort of made the system more gentle, more welcoming. politically he was in a bad spot with latino voters. a ton of pressure. now the funny thing about the situation is that politically, just politically, this is a win for him either way. >> even the dream act was there. there was a question as to what was going to happen with that. now through executive order he is somer assaulting. >> you have bobby jindahl saying we can't be the stupid party anymore. who wins out? >> they're all wrong. they're talking about the problem with the party -- the problem with the party is policy. seven days after the election, the ohio legislature, i assume with the blessing of governor kasich passes -- defeated in mississippi. i mean, what were they thinking? what are they thinking? i think they've got to look at themselves and say we've got to control the tea party aspect of this party. we've got to get back to taking positions that ordinary american
remember a few years ago president obama was boxed in by immigration. he had put the enforcement into effect, but he hadn't sort of made the system more gentle, more welcoming. politically he was in a bad spot with latino voters. a ton of pressure. now the funny thing about the situation is that politically, just politically, this is a win for him either way. >> even the dream act was there. there was a question as to what was going to happen with that. now through executive order he is...
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the romney team told him not to, and so president obama moved quickly with his dream proposals. >> so we never got that detailed plan from marco rubio to address the problem of kids who are brought here illegal. a big opportunity for marco rubio to show political skills, he is now the emissary to conservative republicans in the house and conservative news media to make the case that this is not amnesty, that this is an acceptable proposal that they could embrace, and if he manages to do that, that will be a great achievement on his part for a pretty junior senator. >> thanks very much. susan page, chris, thanks both. joining me now for more on the immigration debate, minnesota senator amy, member of the joint economic committee. this is a big deal economically potentially, senator, because as business people are telling you and as i'm hearing from business people, college presidents and others as i'm sure you've heard this is a major economic component where we're training young people from around the world giving them ph.d.s and then kicking them out. >> exactly. that's why senator h
the romney team told him not to, and so president obama moved quickly with his dream proposals. >> so we never got that detailed plan from marco rubio to address the problem of kids who are brought here illegal. a big opportunity for marco rubio to show political skills, he is now the emissary to conservative republicans in the house and conservative news media to make the case that this is not amnesty, that this is an acceptable proposal that they could embrace, and if he manages to do...
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also did her a great favor by insulating her from the politics of the last four years. joe biden, i think, is going to be in the center of a lot of the big political fights over the next year and going to see his approval ratings probably take a beating. of course, playing kyoto say this isn't about 2016. what a fantastic launch for hillary clinton. should she decide to run. i think one of the things we have seen over the last elections is that the person who has some strong connection with a base who's a candidate almost drafted by the base does better. mitt romney didn't have that. john mccain didn't have that. i hazard to say i don't think biden has that either. any of the democrats i talked to always say clinton, clinton, clinton. it's time for a woman. i think this will be hillary clinton's big decision to make and my goodness, joe biden certainly can't be happy about that but i think this sort of speculation about biden, at least keeps sort of interest in obama's presidency. >> right. >> makes it more relevant going forward. >> and let's be real here. i mean, as a
also did her a great favor by insulating her from the politics of the last four years. joe biden, i think, is going to be in the center of a lot of the big political fights over the next year and going to see his approval ratings probably take a beating. of course, playing kyoto say this isn't about 2016. what a fantastic launch for hillary clinton. should she decide to run. i think one of the things we have seen over the last elections is that the person who has some strong connection with a...
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. >> and here is the other striking political moment. john mccain explains what he thinks will be necessary to pass this bill, including what he calls the leadership of president obama. let's listen to this. >> i am confident the majority of both houses, led by the president of the united states, who made this a major campaign issue, that we will succeed. but we're not going to get everybody on board. >> steve kornacki, nothing prove s more strongly than that, that elections do have consequences. >> i can't help but think with john mccain, you're looking at a protection of legacy there. his reputation as a maverick was a bit over sold, what it really reflects, the guy is a sore loser, we saw it in the wake of the 2002 election. he was a very conservative member of the senate who happened to lose to george w. bush and took out all the grudges of george w. bush, then he was a mavericky liberal. went back to the right, now you have a guy here his term is going to be up in 2016. he will be 80 years old. this is an issue he really cares about
. >> and here is the other striking political moment. john mccain explains what he thinks will be necessary to pass this bill, including what he calls the leadership of president obama. let's listen to this. >> i am confident the majority of both houses, led by the president of the united states, who made this a major campaign issue, that we will succeed. but we're not going to get everybody on board. >> steve kornacki, nothing prove s more strongly than that, that elections...
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the history of assumer and barack obama and durbin is always politics. president didn't fully embrace what the bipartisan group of senators said. why am i suspicious? every time he has an opportunity to exploit it, he does so politically. do you this agree with me, that republicans need to proceed with caution? >> absolutely. there are so many complicated parts to this. even if you had trust with all the partners, you would want to pay a lot of attention to detail. look, the president -- you touched on it earlier. there was an unnecessary threat out of the blue. i was reading the text to the speech, he was outlining what he was sort of proposing which was somewhat in agreement and out of the blue he says if you are unable to move in a timely fashion, i'm going to set up a bill on my proposal and insist that you vote it on. that is typical stuff we see from the white house that is completely unconstructive and undermines trust in the white house. >> sean: two reasons i would like to see a bill happen here. number one, nobody seems to be talking about it,
the history of assumer and barack obama and durbin is always politics. president didn't fully embrace what the bipartisan group of senators said. why am i suspicious? every time he has an opportunity to exploit it, he does so politically. do you this agree with me, that republicans need to proceed with caution? >> absolutely. there are so many complicated parts to this. even if you had trust with all the partners, you would want to pay a lot of attention to detail. look, the president --...
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because that's where in politics a lot of times the real bitterness lingers. and, you know, bill clinton has had a harder time forgiving the president than hillary clinton has. and michelle obama i think has had a harder time burying the hatchet than president obama has. this was a very tough race in 2008. but what is interesting is that they seem to have some chemistry in that interview. it wasn't a kind of formal stiff -- >> it was pretty smooth, pretty natural. >> they had a connection with each other that was important for the country to see. >> all right, jonathan alter, great to have you with us. thank you so much. that's "the ed show." i'm ed schultz. and rachel maddow of "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. >> good evening, and thank you. >> you bet. >> thanks to you at home for staying with us this hour. the 50th state in the united states is of course hawaii. 49th state admitted the year before, alaska. so those were 49 and 50. those are the last two states admitted to the union in 1958 and 1959. what was the last state admitted before then? be
because that's where in politics a lot of times the real bitterness lingers. and, you know, bill clinton has had a harder time forgiving the president than hillary clinton has. and michelle obama i think has had a harder time burying the hatchet than president obama has. this was a very tough race in 2008. but what is interesting is that they seem to have some chemistry in that interview. it wasn't a kind of formal stiff -- >> it was pretty smooth, pretty natural. >> they had a...